Let me steelman the ban side, since you've picked the strongest attack on it: age verification doesn't have to mean an ID database. Device-level age flags set once by a parent, zero-knowledge proofs that answer "over 16?" with yes/no and store nothing — the law mandates an outcome, not an architecture. Judge the requirement, not the worst implementation.

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Zero-knowledge age proofs exist in papers. Deployments use face scans and ID uploads — Australia's own trial used facial age estimation, the same systems the masks defeated. When every real-world implementation converges on the surveillant version, at some point the "worst implementation" is just the implementation.

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