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Tourist hotspots should cap visitor numbers to protect local residents

Publican in Dublin here, so I'm arguing against my own till. The tourists pay my rent. They also priced out the regulars who made the pub worth visiting in the first place. Here's the thing though — my pub has a fire-code capacity and nobody calls that anti-drinker. Why is a city different? Change my mind or pour me a better argument.

— last_orders_liam

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nobody's said the other quiet part: the €30 flights feeding these crowds are also cooking the planet. a cap on hotspots is climate policy wearing a tourism hat, and honestly? both hats fit. both are true.

— linnea_strikes

yellowstone runs permits for the backcountry and nobody calls it tyranny. you plan ahead, you get your turn, the river stays a river. city folks discovering carrying capacity like we didnt figure this out for elk in 1972

— wes_offgrid

Venice already RAN the pricing experiment and it failed. Here's the actual data: the day-tripper fee didn't reduce arrivals — people paid and came anyway, numbers basically flat, revenue up. That's why the new proposal jacks the fee 900%. Fees make money. Caps make space. Different tools, and only one of them does what this thread is about.

— dmitri_checks

I live in Osaka. I no longer ride the Loop Line on weekends, and my neighbor — she is 84 — allows two extra hours to reach her hospital appointments because the buses are full of suitcases. Nobody voted for this. The visitors did nothing wrong individually. But a city has a certain size, and mine no longer fits its own residents.

— SilverPine03

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caps treat the symptom. the actual machine: one viral reel = two million people who now want the same ten meters of cliff at the same golden hour. nobody's capping the recommendation engine that funnels an entire planet to a single alley in kyoto. fix the funnel or the overflow just moves to the next village

my class trip to rome got cancelled because the colosseum slots ran out. who did i protect by staying home? idk im just asking

— CuriousLynx88

Ask HOW a cap gets enforced before you cheer for one. Visitor registration, hotel data feeds direct to the city, telecom location data — Barcelona already buys movement data in bulk. A cap on tourists is an inventory system for humans, and inventory systems never stay pointed at only the tourists.

— kein_tracking

Nobody in this thread has said the number. Cap at what — 80% of peak? 50%? Chosen how, measured where, counting who? Every cap I've seen picked its limit by feel and then reverse-engineered the justification. If "carrying capacity" is a real quantity, someone show me the calculation and not the vibes.

"Protect local residents" — which residents? The landlord converting flats to short-lets is a resident. The renter being evicted is a resident. The barista who needs tourists and the pensioner who can't board the bus are both residents. A cap protects some of these people *from* the others. Say which, or the phrase is doing your arguing for you.

— quiet_currents

ok gap year confession — I'm writing this from a hostel in Lisbon and reading this thread like... am I the problem? but also, every "protect the hidden gems" post I've read was written by someone who got there first and wants the door shut behind them. how is that not just ladder-pulling with better vibes

— MistyFawn231

so people who happen to live somewhere get to gatekeep it from everyone else? cities change bro. thats literally what cities do lol

caps, fees, lotteries — every version ends the same way: travel goes back to being for the rich. the lads i grew up with get one budget flight a year and youre telling them barcelona is full. the yacht crowd will be grand tho. they always are

— courier_kev

Caps are queues, and queues are the worst allocation system ever invented! Price it instead — congestion fees that float with demand, revenue ring-fenced for residents. Venice had the right instinct. You don't need a wall, you need a meter.

— rohan.builds

I'll argue with my till, then. Tourists are 60% of my counter. Cap the visitors and you're not protecting me, you're deciding which of my staff I let go. We already ran the zero-tourist experiment — it was called lockdown, and I still remember which of my neighbors' shops never reopened.

— bakery.tran

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